1 July 2012

[Nutta]

Well, i voted for hansen, yep a dingbat but the only hope we had, now i vote for mad katter.

We're farked, this country is well and truly finished, i just hope my kids dont have kids because australia is well and truly doomed!!!

@ biggqwesty, whos the next person, abbot? I get sick of hearing how fucking bad he is, what has he done wrong? Not supported gillards boat people policy? I get a bit lost hearing dribble about abbot, if i misread it sorry.

[BigGQWesty]

He's not as bad, but still up there. ruddy I was talking about though.

We should all elect the 20yr old from up QLD way I think he was. He had his head screwed on.

[Oldmate]

I agree with you nutta. Does anyone have a old wooden boat they don't want??

[Ray!]

This is good:

Note that 9% of the cost of electricity generation will be due to the carbon tax, which will be increasing every year until at least 2015. Also note that 20% of the cost of electricity generation is due to mandatory spending on energy efficiency programs aka wind power, solar etc; systems which simply don't work, but feel good.

The Australian Financial Review reports that:

Power generators have passed through the full cost of carbon on the national electricity market.

Singing and dancing wonder Graig Emerson reports that:

Generators may seek to pass on the extra costs, but the extent to which they do so will depend on competition in the market.

It's going to be a long, cold, winter ahead of us, even come summer.

Cheers

Ray

[Rumcajs]

Note that 9% of the cost of electricity generation will be due to the carbon tax, which will be increasing every year until at least 2015. Also note that 20% of the cost of electricity generation is due to mandatory spending on energy efficiency programs aka wind power, solar etc; systems which simply don't work, but feel good.

It's going to be a long, cold, winter ahead of us, even come summer.

Cheers

Ray

Sobering reading, What I can't get over is this cost of transfering the Volts to consumer, 51% thats more costly than the actual product.

Me thinks that someone is fleecing the public big time.

What I also can't get over is the fact that majority of power is used for heating/cooling and we still build those flimsy card board dwellings.

Poorly insulated, with large single glazed windows etc. Woudn't that be major cause for rethink and correction first before f -ing around with solar and wind generation.

Cheers

[Ray!]

Infrastructure, in this case power distribution, is always very costly; whether it's replacing old systems, accident damage or providing new ones etc. But I also suspect that the 51% includes other costs (eg maintenance and other associated costs such as interest payments etc).

Cheers

Ray

[admin]

My Fujitsu inverter ducted air con is on from 7am to 11pm at night 7 days atm.. Its bloody cold. I do have 3kw solar array but it only helps on sunny days and only between 8:30 -> 3pm.

Peak charges start at 2pm and go to 8pm ~50c per kwh.. so its going to be an interesting bill.

And for all the power I generate and dont use gets fed back to the grid and I get a whopping 6c per kwh - I missed the boat on the large tarrifs.

I cant see how it can be fair to pay 50c kwh but only get paid 6c kwh for it :-(

[Glort]

And for all the power I generate and dont use gets fed back to the grid and I get a whopping 6c per kwh - I missed the boat on the large tarrifs.

I cant see how it can be fair to pay 50c kwh but only get paid 6c kwh for it :-(

Are you sure that's Right?

Sounds a real ripoff. You are paying about twice what I do per Kwh.

I thought the renewable power had to be paid at a decent rate? I understand there was a scheme which paid higher ( pretty sure my mate get's .60c KWH) but 6C is ridiculous! Is this part of paying back the cost of the panels themselves?

Are you on an in/ out separate meter system or does your solar array feed back into the main house supply and you only draw from the grid the excess you need?

I have " Heard" of someone that runs a veg fired generator that backfeeds in to the mains. Using an induction motor as a generator the thing Phase locks to the frequency and having the field energised by the grid, the thing can't Island and be a danger either. By switching over to a C2C setup, the system can be self sufficient if the main power is isolated.

By backfeeding directly into the household supply, the power runs everything in the home to it's max capacity and any shortfall is made up from the grid. When the power generated is excess to requirements, the meter spins backwards. In this way you get the same rate for the power you make as the power you use which is only fair.

It used to be that even with free fuel self generation wasn't worthwhile but now with the advent of excessive power prices, The availability of cheap engines and using Low cost induction motors, things are changing.

Perhaps in my next place I'll have a high current circuit or 2 put in and have an set up a big system so I can pump some significant juice in and not have to run the genny for hours trickling in the power.

That's the trouble with DIY generation. You use the power 24/7 but running a genny those hours is impractical. The way to do it is to pump back a lot of power in a shorter time to compensate for the longer lower draw.

The Mrs has given me the Green Light to Import a Lister engine though so 12 hours a day plus runs at lower outputs may not be such a problem then.

Maybe I'll put serious effort into finding a place with a decent running water supply from a creek. It would pay well to set up a micro Hydro system and have that back feed into the grid even if it were just a couple of KW.

Running 24/7 would add up nicely.

I wonder what the hoops would be to setting up things on an approved basis and if something like a micro Hydro would qualify for renewable energy grants/ bonuses/ tariffs?

[BigGQWesty]

Well this will make blood boil if it becomes true..

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=safari&q=clive+palmer+running+for+parliament&oq=clive+palmer+for+parlime&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.1.0.0i8i10.65979.75887.0.77524.24.22.0.2.2.0.446.3020.3-5j3.8.0...0.0.7bOBxhqlA9o&mvs=0

Clive Palmer for parliament... As of he would run for the good of the people.. I would bet my life that if he got in, there would be no more secured areas and Australia would be a free for all for mining..

Edited July 4, 2012 by BigGQWesty

[Ray!]

Abbott is not keen on getting him on board and has made that patently clear, so Queensland would be pretty stupid if they don't take note.

Cheers

Ray

[Oldmate]

VOTE 1 Glort for PM

[twisty]

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The way to do it is to pump back a lot of power in a shorter time to compensate for the longer lower draw.

The Mrs has given me the Green Light to Import a Lister engine though so 12 hours a day plus runs at lower outputs may not be such a problem then.

Maybe I'll put serious effort into finding a place with a decent running water supply from a creek. It would pay well to set up a micro Hydro system and have that back feed into the grid even if it were just a couple of KW.

Running 24/7 would add up nicely.

I wonder what the hoops would be to setting up things on an approved basis and if something like a micro Hydro would qualify for renewable energy grants/ bonuses/ tariffs?

hhmmm ... I've been considering energy generation and storage for the farm. Time for a new thread.

[Glort]

VOTE 1 Glort for PM

HAHA!

Could you Imagine that!!

I bet I would have the shortest term of any PM in history!

Then again, Our parliamentary sessions might be the only ones broadcast world wide. Everyone likes a bit of biffo especially when it was moron Pollies getting their butts kicked!

The one and possibly ONLY saving grace I would have as PM would be that it would be impossible to do a worse job that what these pelicans are doing already.

Then again on the upside, I guess it would be bloody hard NOT to make some improvements by nothing more than the application of common sense and a view to doing what was really best for the country and it's people.

That one goal alone should put me ahead of the current and future clowns.

Maybe people would recognise and like what I was trying to achieve and I'd stay in a while.

Maybe the greedy business sector would have me out on my arse before I knew what happened for not playing the game.

[BigGQWesty]

Maybe the greedy business sector would have me out on my arse before I knew what happened for not playing the game.

To right. As soon as you don't dance when they pull a string, your out..

But f-em. And F the greenies to. There the number 1 reason for this dam

Tax...

Why didn't they just up the GST from 10% to 12%??? They'd make a lot of money, and a simple line like 'the raise is in line with inflation..' would have rannga sitting high and mighty, and I'm guessing us Aussies wouldn't bat an eye lid to it... But hay, I have been known to think radically outside the box...